Any products with 11.1 Audyssey DSX?

do any dsx products decode both the height and with channels?and if so are there any shipping models that pre out so another amp can be used.I would love to implament both,I was also wonder do the receivers with back surrounds still out put those signals when dsx is engaged?in other words can I have my cake and eat it too.7.2 channel surround plus the additional 4 dsx channels playing back at the same time?

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    Audyssey Labs

    Yes, the Denon 4311 can output 11 channels.  The Heights are available from a pre-out and require an external 2-ch amplifier.  The Denon 4810 operates the same way.  These are the only two units that can perform 11 ch. DSX playback.  The Marantz is a 7.1 product.

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    David Ferebee

    Rob, sorry I misread your question. There are several settings that will play 9 channels from 2, 5, or 7, channel input. There is no program material that is native 9 channels so the whole point of a fancy AVR like yours it that it plays more channels than the source material like 9 channel stereo for instance. You really need to read the manual for the specifics.     

    Chris is being funny:) Yamaha does not use Audyssey technology to balance speaker levels and a whole lot more. It uses Yamaha Parametric room Acoustic Optimizer to perform a similar function.  So if you have any questions about how that works you might want to find a YPAO forum:)  

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    Tangcoma

    Hello ! Chris ! Do u know the new Denon AVP-A1HDA upgrade version next month , they will start to support Audyssey DSX after the upgrade ,  so will the new unit can support full 11.1 DSX ? Because according to a Norway website , they said only support MAX 9 ch only ! Can u verify it for me ? The web site is here : http://www.hifiklubben.no/produkter/tilbehor/annet-tilbehor/denon_-avc-a1hdavp-a1hd-3dhdmi-14_oppgradering.htm

    And u can use goole translate it to english ! Thx for your reply !

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    David Ferebee

    Thanks for your help. After re-reading the manual for my Onkyo TX-NR5008 you all are correct. Although you can connect wires for 11 speakers you can only play 9 at the same time:(  Unfortunately no work around:(

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    Audyssey Labs

    Hi Greg,

    No we don't make any external processing devices.

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    Audyssey Labs

    Front LCR: direct radiators

    Wides: direct radiators

    Heights: direct radiators

    Surrounds: dipoles

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    Austin

    Can you tell me from a technical/practical standpoint, is it beneficial to have 11.1 output? It seems like others would be doing this 11.1 were desirable over 9.1 / 7.1 / 5.1. What kind of setup would be ideal for a dedicated theater?

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    rob stog

    Oops, does that mean I'm out of the club? Wish I new as much as I did in pinball machines!

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    Brad Taylor

    With the 4311 you can pick "height" or "front" when you pick "ext. Amp"

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    David Ferebee

    When using the Denon 4311 for 11.1 once you have connected the external amp for the other two channels when you adjust the volume on the 4311 does that also change the volume for the other two channels? Or do you have to adjust the volume on the last two channels on the external amp?

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    Adam Kulvicki

    Hi Chris,

    Denon just anounced their new line for 2012.  Does the AVR 3313 support 11.1 Audessy DSX?

    Thanks!

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    Manuel

    Hey Chris,  waht about the Denon AVR - A100? Is it capable to run full 11.2 DSX? Or any other AVR than Denon 4810/4311?

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    Audyssey Labs

    It is highly beneficial because the Wide and Height channels are reproducing the necessary acoustical and perceptual cues to expand the perception of the soundstage.  More info and required placement of speakers here:

    http://www.audyssey.com/technology/dsx.html

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    Austin

    [Denon 4311] "We did do some testing with an external amp running the mains and the AVR handling the other 9 channels with no issues."

    Will it really run 2 fronts on external amp, and other 9 channels on internal amps? From what Chris has said, it seems the external amp must be on the heights.

    "It requires an external 2-ch amp for the Heights as they are only available at the line-outputs"

    But if speaker-outs and preamp-outs are assignable so that external amp can be on fronts, then it would work much better.

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    Greg Bullock

    Chris - What about the possibility of a petition to the manufacturers expressing the desire to market 11 channel Audessy systems.  I am a Dealer/Installer.  I see 11 channel sound similar to Anamorphic home theaters.  Once a client with the necessary resources experiences the technology they will have it if possible.  It also seems to be one of the few advanced technologies to market to the mid to high end user.  All your help is appreciated.

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    Audyssey Labs

    Hi Adam,

    This a 7-channel product so it does not support 11-channel DSX.

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    David Ferebee

    Hi Chris, I have 11.2 speakers connected to my NR5008 and am patiently waiting for a new receiver that will allow playing all 11 speakers at the same time that has front highs and front wides. In the meantime I noticed that after running Audyssey all the levels of my speakers range from -2 to -5. To give me more volume is it ok to add 5 to each level so they range from +3 to 0? Or can I add even more level to get more volume? 

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    Austin

    Can you confirm whether the 4311 will output all 11.1 channels simultaneously through pre-amp outputs?

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    Brad Taylor

    I picked up a rotel 5 channel amp and it came in the mail today so I was able to do this permanently after I posted.  It works no problem.  I was hoping to use all 5 channels across the front but that is a NO go unless you switch everything to pre amp mode as far as I can tell.  Not an issue as I plan to use the other channels as mono from the amp for zones 2+3.

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    David Ferebee

    I do not have a setup as yet but am thinking about how to do 11.1 since I have the speakers setup but only have a 9.2 amp. I would not want to invest in the Denon unless the volume control was done through one control instead of two. So it sounds like what you are saying is that the Denon is basically a preamp for the last two channels that run through the outboard amps who volume is controlled by the Denon not the outboard amps? Or should I just wait for new models to come out that have true 11.2 native? Any recommendation on what to use for the auxilary amps?     

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    Greg Bullock

    Hello everyone.  I am a reseller, unfortunately I am seeing a move back to 7.x systems.  I am seeing fewer new units with 9.x and nothing that supports 11.x,  even with additional amp.  This seems backwards as the new Ultra High Definition standard is capable of 22.2 encoding.  I guess it just didn't sell.  Chris if you have anything to add please do, I would love to be wrong.

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    Audyssey Labs

    Hi Manuel,

    Yes, the A100 has the same digital platform as the 4311 so it supports 11.2 (with an external 2-ch amp needed for channels 10 and 11).

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    Austin

    Also I noticed that the Marantz AV7005 has 11.1 pre-amp outputs. Is this all channels simultaneously? Could there be others that do this?

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    Brent Cook

    Brad, you CAN use an external amp(s) for ANY number of channels, without using pre-amp mode.    The pre-amp outputs are always on and working,  so you simply hook the amps up to them, and hook the speakers you desire to externally amplify to the external amp, rather than the receiver.      

    Basically, the 4311 works like any other receiver with pre-amp outputs,  it's the darn optional "Pre-amp" mode that is confusing people.   It should just be ignored by most people.

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    Austin

    As far as a recommendation, my first thought goes to  http://emotiva.com/xpa3.shtm. Emotiva makes some hefty amplifiers and they are affordable. The XPA-3 is 200Wx3 at 8 ohm, currently on sale at $599. Put your front mains and center channel on this for plenty of stereo music power, and also support the three most important channels for home theater, while also enabling 11-channel surround.

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    Jeffery Rasmussen

    Pleases tell me what av receiver company are expected to do 11.2 Channel 11-ch amp Audyssey DSX  for Heights or Wides? And when can it be expected?

    And ensures that the level and delay for each subwoofer is correct before integrating them into the equalization solution?

    Since “Audyssey DSX technology delivers true 7.1, 9.1 and 11.1 surround sound. The result isn’t just the most immersive, realistic home theater sound on the market, but a new standard in surround sound.Audyssey”.

    “Audyssey Sub EQ HT ensures that the level and delay for each subwoofer is correct before integrating them into the equalization solution”. Is this also part of the DSX technology?

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    David Ferebee

    Is does not look like any of the new Onkyo models have multi channel inputs on the back panel so it looks like we are having to sacrifice that for being able to play 11 channels at the same time?? If so I will not be moving up from the NR5008 to the NR5010:( 

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    Senator

    Any newer models out yet featuring the capability of running all 11.1 or 11.2 channels?

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    Brad Taylor

    Thanks Brent.  I eventually figured that out.  It's too bad that Denon didn't make all the amps assignable.  I thought I read that some of the older models did this.  It would be  a great feature for multi zone audio. 

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    Brad Taylor

    The AVR4311 most definitely controls all the volumes of the external amps.  It can be ran in pre-amp mode that turns off ALL the internal amplifiers so you would need 11 external amp channels.  Or you can choose to turn off the fronts L+R only and use an external amp for those and an internal for the rest.  Or you can use an external amp for the rear surrounds and all internal for the rest.  The nice things is I have also confirmed that the pre-outs are active all the time if you choose to use them.  The Denon does all the control no matter what you hook up to it.

    Austin has a great suggestion with the Emotiva and running all three front channels off of it.  This is what I was doing with three channels of my 5 channel Rotel. (using the other 2 channels for a second zone)   The lower cost solution is to get an inexpensive 2 ch amp to run the rear surrounds off of it as the rears are not that demanding and you could get away with less power IMO.

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