Any products with 11.1 Audyssey DSX?

do any dsx products decode both the height and with channels?and if so are there any shipping models that pre out so another amp can be used.I would love to implament both,I was also wonder do the receivers with back surrounds still out put those signals when dsx is engaged?in other words can I have my cake and eat it too.7.2 channel surround plus the additional 4 dsx channels playing back at the same time?

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    David Ferebee

    Bummer, guess I will have to pick up a Denon 4311:(  

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    Audyssey Labs

    Hi David,

    If you want the system to play louder then you should turn up the volume control, not the speaker levels.  If you change the speaker levels then Dynamic EQ will no longer be properly calibrated to reference.  Each speaker level is calibrated so that (1) it will match the others in playback volume and (2) it will play at reference level when the volume control is set to 0. 

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    Audyssey Labs

    Sadly, not yet...

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    Brent Cook

    Yes, that would be a nice feature.   On the other hand, at least Denon actually makes a full 11.2 DSX receiver.    Something no other manufacturer has done, even after the technology has been available for 3 years now.   

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    Audyssey Labs

    Hi Greg, I would be all for that.  We have been "petitioning" for a while now, but there are of course cost issues with the higher processing power required for more channels.

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    Adam Kulvicki

    I was reading an article on audioholics regarding the Onkyo TX-NR818.  They mention that "technically, it can do 11.1 but that hasn't been implemented yet".  What does this mean?  The hardware will support 11.1 but the software doesnt?

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    Plus, there is a the inclusion, on top of the Dolby Prologic IIz and Audyssey DSX, of the brand new DTS Neo:X DPS which allows for front wide and front height channels (technically, it can do 11.1 but that hasn't been implemented yet).  

    Link to article: http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/receivers/onkyo-tx-nr818-nr717-pre 

     

    Also, what is the difference between 2EQ and XT32?

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    Senator

    It's FINALLY here! http://www.technologytell.com/hometech/86914/onkyos-tx-nr5010-goes-to-eleven/

    This has DSX 11.1, correct Chris?

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    Senator

    Okay, thanks for checking.   Ready to buy whenever a manufacturer answers the consumer's call for this...

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    Brad Taylor

    all my external amps don't have volume controls.  Are you trying to run it through a receiver? 

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    Audyssey Labs

    Yes, emailing the request would be a good start.  Perhaps getting support from others via the popular forums would help show a willing customer base as well.

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    Audyssey Labs

    Hi Jeffery,

    We don't know the product plans of AVR makers.  They decide first and then inform us.  So far we are not aware of any products, but new announcements come at the end of summer usually before the CEDIA show in the US.

    SubEQ HT is not related to DSX.  It's an extension of the room correction algorithms we have developed and is an option that some AVR models have included.

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    Greg Bullock

    Saints be praised!!!

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    Lebada Mugurel

    Can you confirm if the latest products from Onkyo TX-NR1009 / TX-NR3009 / TX-NR5009 has outputs for all 11.2. Thanks in advance.

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    David Ferebee

    So do you think Austin's suggestion would work with the Onkyo TX-NR5008 that I already have? I have Definitive BP7002s for the front l/r and a Definitive CLR2002 for the center. The front wide and highs l/r are Definitive Mythos 2s. The surrounds are all inceiling Boston Acoustics sorry forgot the model:( 

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    Greg Bullock

    Any suggestion on how to proceed?  I will of course email a request to all the manufacturers.  Maybe if there where some way to show you have a potential customer base out there.  I may be wishing for to much in this industry, at this time.  Processors are always getting cheaper though.  Again, I want to thank you for your help.  It is rare to have this kind of support network built around a technology. 

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    David Ferebee

    "I was reading an article on audioholics regarding the Onkyo TX-NR818.  They mention that "technically, it can do 11.1" 

    I have an Onkyo NR5008 which you could say does 11.2 but even though you can hookup all 11 speakers to the receiver you can only play 9 of them at the same time. Basically you have to choose between the Front Highs or Front Lows, or you can play both the FH and FL at the same time but have to sacrifice the Rear Surrounds. Maybe that is what they are talking about when they say "techinically".   

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    Rickard L

    Allthough it has 11.4-channel pre-outs, Onkyo says it is 9 channel AV receiver:

    This release includes a new, lavishly outfitted nine-channel flagship, the stunning TX-NR5010 Network A/V Receiver; a more affordable nine-channel alternative, the TX-NR3010 Network A/V Receiver; and lastly, a high-power seven-channel solution, the value-packed TX-NR1010 Network A/V Receiver.

    11.4-channel pre-outs with DTS Neo:X 11-channel upmixing support on both the TX-NR5010 and TX-NR3010

    Note: it has 4 sub pre-outs but two are named SW1 and the other two SW2 so it might just be a Y-splitter internally.

     

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    Audyssey Labs

    I can't confirm that.  Onkyo has not yet announced any 11.2 capable products.

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    Austin

    I would be very surprised if volume could not be controlled by the Denon. That would make the whole idea almost useless if you had to change more than one volume control. It would throw off the channel balance every time. I think it's safe to say that main volume controls all.

    Also I think you would want to put your front L/R channels on an external 2-channel amp, and run everything else from the receiver's amp. Or better yet use a 3-channel external and include the center channel. This would be ideal I think, if someone with experience can confirm please...

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    David Ferebee

    Denon and Onkyo would be a good place to start since they both have models that already have speaker connections for 11 speakers. It does not seem like it would be too much trouble to add two more amps and a decoder chip. I will buy the first one that comes to market.  

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    David Ferebee

    Here is the scoop on Audyssey difference from their website:

     MultEQ XT32Our newest and most accurate room correction solution with more than ten thousand individual control points allowing finer details of the room’s problems to be captured and corrected. The ultra high resolution filters are applied to all channels including the subwoofers, with the most obvious benefit being heard in the low frequency range where correction is needed the most.

    MultEQ XTOur advanced resolution room correction solution with high resolution equalization filters for satellites and subwoofers. Most products with MultEQ XT are  installer-ready and can be calibrated by an Audyssey Registered Installer to provide even higher performance for even the most demanding large or odd-shaped rooms.

    MultEQOur standard resolution room correction solution that uses mid-level resolution filters for satellites and subwoofers.

    2EQOur basic resolution room correction solution that uses basic resolution filters for the satellites, but does not apply a filter to the subwoofers.

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    Audyssey Labs

    The only model that currently provides DSX Wide and Height channels simultaneously is the Denon AVR-4810CI. It requires an external 2-ch amp for the Heights as they are only available at the line-outputs (the AVR only has 9 ch. of amplification). But, it will give you 11 channels (traditional 7.1 + 4 DSX channels).

    All other DSX models currently provide DSX Wide or Height channels that are selectable. We expect more models to start becoming available with all 4 DSX channels in the future.

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    rob stog

    I bought a Yamaha rx-a3010 that supposedly handles 11.2 with a second amp. I just connected 9.1 and all are outputting on 7.1 bluray disk. Am I missing something in the tech side? Thanks

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    Brad Taylor

    I can highly recommend the Denon 4311CI for 11.2 play back.  I have had this unit for a little over a month running 9.1 and love it.  I am using heights and wides with one set of rears.  We did do some testing with an external amp running the mains and the AVR handling the other 9 channels with no issues.  Unfortunately, my room config doesn't allow for the back rears.

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    Austin

    According to Chris (see above), only the Denon AVR-4810CI and AVR-4311CI can do 11.1 or 11.2. He seems to know a thing or two. :) I am convinced that the capability is not there with any Onkyo product.

    However I do not understand why the Marantz AV7005 preamp/processor will not do 11.1 / 11.2. It has all the preamp outputs. Chris if you could confirm this for certain please, many thanks.

    The Marantz does have the advantage of balanced outputs for long runs to active speakers. However, I notice they are only 7.2 and so nothing special. I'm sure others offer 7.2 balanced outputs, but not next to 11.2 unbalanced. What to make of this?

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    Greg Bullock

    Chris, is there a such thing as a external Audessy DSX device.  One that could be employed using preamp?  Can a computer be programmed to preform this function?  I continue to hound the reps when possible, but I am not sure it is having and effect.

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    Austin

    Hey Chris, what speaker type would you recommend for each channel in 11.x configuration? (mono-pole, bi-pole, di-pole, etc.)

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    Audyssey Labs

    Currently there are two such products: Denon 4810 and Denon 4311.  They have 9 amp channels and the additional 2 channels require an external stereo amp.  No word on other products yet...

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    David Ferebee

    Read page 24 and 25 of the manual. You get 11 channels by using one or two external amps and the pre outs depending on what configuration of front presence and rear presence speakers you want to use. 

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    Lebada Mugurel

    Sorry for the confusion. The question was whether TX-NR3009 receiver and / or TX-NR5009 is full support for 11 channels of playback using an external 2-channel amplifiator.

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